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AIRBORNE
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PostSubject: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 6:08 am

Do you need any additional mounting hardware to mount a winch on the EMP front bumper (additional plate or bolts)? Any good pics of your setup would be nice. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 7:02 am

no extra pieces winch bolts right to it
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 7:53 am

mason wrote:
no extra pieces winch bolts right to it

What about the piece that catches the winch hook. Dodd has a piece on the front of his where the fairlead is normally showing. Do you know what I am talking about?
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 9:58 am

I've seen a video of emp installing the bumper. It was either on rzr forums or on their web site. Looks simple and straight forward. Roadiestar on here, I think is his name has one now. He is the only one i've read that has had problems with it. The bumper is on my list of to gets.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 11:04 am

The rear cross bracket is very weak. I bent mine the first time I used it... and then I welded stiffeners across the weak spots...

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I used four pieces of 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 6" long channel. This hasn't shown any sign of weakness the last 13 months since I added the stiffeners...
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 11:30 am

The emp bumper doesnt come with a fairlead mount, you will need that if you dont have one.

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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 12:37 pm

The two winches I have bought came with a fairlead and mounting bracket.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 12:48 pm

I am sure the winch comes with a fairlead. His looked like it had some sort of a metal channel looking plate instead of a fairlead. Was just wondering what it was.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 4:27 pm

Dan wrote:
The rear cross bracket is very weak. I bent mine the first time I used it... and then I welded stiffeners across the weak spots...

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I used four pieces of 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 6" long channel. This hasn't shown any sign of weakness the last 13 months since I added the stiffeners...

Glad to see i'm not the first one to bend there bumper. They were giving me a rash of shit about bending mine. Now one of the braces cracked also, so I had to weld it back together.
Service sucks, bumper sucks,and the guy is a D@c%.

Bumper and servise = poo
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 4:30 pm

AIRBORNE wrote:
I am sure the winch comes with a fairlead. His looked like it had some sort of a metal channel looking plate instead of a fairlead. Was just wondering what it was.

Chris, that was probaly a syn-rope fairlead. No rollers when using the synthetic ropes.

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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Aug 11, 2011 8:44 pm

I understand Pate. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 10:50 am

Well, I am with Roadiestar...My connecting braces are broke all to pcs. I sent pictures of the breaks to EMP. They told me the breaks were not a flaw or desighn Failure...I call BS. It's costing me $40 to get new arms, I will pull the bumper off and fix their desighn flaws. You can bet your last Dollar I will never buy from them again! 2cents
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 11:35 am

I don't know about the EMP bumper. It is just a question because it is on the machine I am buying. But I always found Rick to be very courteous and helpful. I have talked to him on the phone and in PMs and never had a problem. I have never asked him to fix a mistake or problem though. Customer service does go a long way in my book.

Racertech fixed my broken lift kit........no questions asked. That is EXCELLENT customer service. Maybe EMP would do the same if you talked directly to the man. Worth a try anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 11:48 am

I guess....but I shouldn't have to go to the Owner of the Company to get what is clearly a defective part fixed...I will just take my $$$ and spend it elswhere.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 12:19 pm

jodyt wrote:
I guess....but I shouldn't have to go to the Owner of the Company to get what is clearly a defective part fixed...I will just take my $$$ and spend it elswhere.
I am not a business owner, but when you have consumers like this group, I would do my best to make sure my employees remedied customer service issues. Most guys on this forum buy new machines frequently and LOTS of accessories. Word of mouth goes a loooooooooong way when it comes to where they spend money. I hate that your bumper is jacked up. I hope mine does not do this.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 12:27 pm

rick is the ower of EMP. call and talk with him. or PM him on this site. Clevelandemp

i have rode with him several times and is a great guy.
i do beleave that he says not to use a winch bigger than a 3000lb on the bumpers.

chris. all you need to mount the winch is the fairlead plate. if you dont have one let me know. i think i have one. allright

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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 12:45 pm

My winch is a 3K Warn. It bent the cross bracket the first time I used the winch.

I complained about the rear bracket bending... EMP wouldn't do squat about it...

I've examined Jody's photos. Both side plates have tensile tears caused by the flex of the cross bracket... see photo...
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The inside corner where the crack starts is almost a perfect stress riser...
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 3:27 pm

You guys are having the same problems as me. He said on some post that I must work for a different company and am bashing his product.
There is no need to bash his product it speeks for it self. poo
It goes to show you you don't always get what you pay for.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Aug 19, 2011 7:52 am

After getting in the replacement arms I pulled the bumper off to replace the broken parts. I have a 3500# Viper winch mounted on this bumper, this POS was so weak that the plate the winch was mounted to had been pulled up almost 1". I took it to a welder and had it fixed the way it should have come from the MFG...Next week I will pull it back off and have the rest of the Weak points reinforced so I don't have any more issues out of this thing.

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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptySat Aug 27, 2011 11:54 am

Has anyone tried the warn bumper?
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:27 pm

Finally got around to fixing the other weak links in this bumper...
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 2:12 pm

OMG Is that your RZR bumper?. If you guys want a super strong 150Lb bumper. Your probably better off building your own or just adding steel to one you buy. I my self would not want something that heavy on the front of my RZR. Have you ever had the plastics of a RZR and seen the frame including where the bumper mounts in the front. Its not that much there.
I've got a racer tech bumper thats reinforced. It was over priced, But I like it pretty well. It only weights 23Lbs so although its braced pretty well its not bullet proof I'm sure. I'd rather the bumper give then my frame.. Just something to consider when your adding bracing.
I wouldn't want it to break using the winch either. Might not want to beef it up to much though. cause then your moving the weak point back to the frame...
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 2:28 pm

Wow that totally sucks. I am sure glad I can say we have NEVER had one of our bumpers come back with any type of problem. I know if we ever did have any type of problem, we would fix it at no cost to the customer and fix it right the first time.
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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 3:35 pm

The problem with the EMP is the flex at the upper frame attachment point... this flexing causes the side brackets to break at the rear ends...

I used 2 pieces on 6" long 1½ x ½ channel on the back side of each attachment point to stop the flex.

My 3K Warn has rolled the mounting surface on the bumper upward ~½" at the rear edge.

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PostSubject: Re: EMP front bumper   EMP front bumper EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 6:34 am

Dan wrote:
The problem with the EMP is the flex at the upper frame attachment point... this flexing causes the side brackets to break at the rear ends...

I used 2 pieces on 6" long 1½ x ½ channel on the back side of each attachment point to stop the flex.

My 3K Warn has rolled the mounting surface on the bumper upward ~½" at the rear edge.


Got any pictures? I am starting to get concerned. I don't want to trash this bumper the first time I go to pull a heavy winching job.
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