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For riding Windrock, Royal Blue, and Brimstone what do you think is the best over all width and length for a side x side? I am in the process of building one from scratch and I have to buy axles so I can make it any width and length I want. I am using Can Am front and rear differentials and an 800 Rotax Can Am turbocharged motor. I figured this would be the place to ask for advice for the length and width.
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56 to 58 if you want to have ease of the tightest
trails. But for stability and best climbing.
around 59 to 60.

My S is 60 1/2 wide.
it climbs like nobody's bissiness.
and most people don't seem to have any trouble
navigating trails.

My Rhino was 55 1/2 in the front
and 57 7/8 in the rear. and i never had any
problems in the woods ever.

But my S is more stable than my Rhino was.
lower center of gravity and long travel.

There is a bank in my back yard , i have drove
down side ways on the S , and i would not do it on
my Rhino. i feel it would roll. So i am likeing the 60 inch width.. Eat

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I had a Rhino a few years ago but it just didn't have enough power for me so I sold it. I ride trail 12 at Windrock a lot and when I had my Rhino it did ok through it but I have seen a lot of Terex body parts laying around on 12. It is pretty tight in some places. I don't want this one as wide as a Terex. Trail 57 also has a place that gives some Rhinos a problem if they are really wide.

It suprised me to read that the Razor is longer than the Rhino, they don't look like it. There are things I like about both the Rhino and the Razor. But I really like the power of the Rotax motor. Hopefully I can take the best traits of each and have something I will be happy with.
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I am sure it will be a nice machine your building.... allright
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He didn't bother to tell you guys its going to be running a turbo too!

He did not get that name for nothing What would be the perfect width, length for a side X side 729242
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Gunny, you sure have a nice Razor. Can I borrow it sometime?
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Badride. I think you would be surprised at how well you can get around the woods with 60". If I was building a machine, I would really study the RZRS. It is unbelievable at climbing.

The width needs to be in the A-arms for more travel. I think that a machine with some kind of mid travel at 58" would be perfect.

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Badride wrote:


It suprised me to read that the Razor is longer than the Rhino, they don't look like it.


The RZR is not longer than the Rhino. It does have a longer wheelbase though. Here are the specs.

Rhino- 113.6 inches overall length. Wheelbase 75.2 inches.
RZR-S- 106 inches overall length. Wheelbase 77 inches.
RZR- 102 inches overall length. Wheelbase 77 inches.

My 2cents .......62 inches wide with 14 inches suspension travel. 80 inch Wheelbase.
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Badride wrote:
Gunny, you sure have a nice Razor. Can I borrow it sometime?

What would be the perfect width, length for a side X side 935522 on that idea What would be the perfect width, length for a side X side 729242
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wvyankee2 wrote:
Badride wrote:


It suprised me to read that the Razor is longer than the Rhino, they don't look like it.


The RZR is not longer than the Rhino. It does have a longer wheelbase though. Here are the specs.

Rhino- 113.6 inches overall length. Wheelbase 75.2 inches.
RZR-S- 106 inches overall length. Wheelbase 77 inches.
RZR- 102 inches overall length. Wheelbase 77 inches.

My 2cents .......62 inches wide with 14 inches suspension travel. 80 inch Wheelbase.

I think wheelbase is what he meant, not how much plastic hangs out. What would be the perfect width, length for a side X side Lol
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Big-R wrote:
Badride. I think you would be surprised at how well you can get around the woods with 60". If I was building a machine, I would really study the RZRS. It is unbelievable at climbing.

The width needs to be in the A-arms for more travel. I think that a machine with some kind of mid travel at 58" would be perfect.

60 I am sure would be better and I will get as close to that as I can. I am going to stop and wait on some of the Rhinos next weekend when we go through 57. I guess I need to see for my self how hard they have it in the really tight sections. I did follow a Rhino a few weeks ago in one of the wooded sections on a new trail and the guy kept hitting trees with the rear wheels. Of course, it was near the end of the day and he may have been getting a little tired/lazy. His tires stick out 2 or 3 inches in the rear.
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I would go 60-62 inches wide and maybe 4-6 inches longer than the Rhino for stability. I would also make two upper or lower shock mounting points one for a lower riding stance maybe 10 inches ground clearance for handling on the open gravel roads and one with 14-16 inches ground clearance for rock climbing, rougher trails, and MUD. 2cents
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My perfect size would be 4' x 8' with wheels at the four corners and the engine as low as possible for low center of gravity. I followed a Rzr S going up to Black Mountain at Evarts and he had to run over alot of rocks and little trees due to the width. Will a Rzr-S fit -- Yep most of the time. Does a Rzr-S have to run over more stuff -- yep some of the time.


Basically I'd build it like a jacked up Honda Odyssey or Pilot from the 1980's and squeeze two seats in if possible. Come to think of it -- is that what Polaris did with the Rzr???

What would be the perfect width, length for a side X side Spec6740lg1

YEARS MANUFACTURED: 1989 & 1990MODEL: FL400R

ENGINE:397cc single cylinder two stroke
IGNITION: Solid State CD
STARTER: Electric and recoil
TRANSMISSION: V-belt torque converter with forward/neutral /reverse LENGTH: 96.4 inches WIDTH: 50.50 inches
HEIGHT: 57.2 inches
WHEELBASE: 62.2 inches
GROUND CLEARANCE: 5.3 inches
FUEL CAPACITY: 4.2 gallons includes 1.3 gallon reserve
TIRESFRONT: 22 x 7--10
REAR: 24 x 11-10
SUSPENSION FRONT: Double wishbone,5.9" travel,shocks
REAR: Double wishbone,7.1" travel,gas charged shocks
DRY WEIGHT: 605 pounds
COLOR: Red
OPTIONAL HONDALINE ACCESSORIES:
Front and rear bumpers,nerf bars,skid plate,tachometer,body cover(no longer available from Honda)
BRAKES FRONT: Dual hydraulic drums
REAR: Single hydraulic disc
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roamerr wrote:
My perfect size would be 4' x 8' with wheels at the four corners and the engine as low as possible for low center of gravity. I followed a Rzr S going up to Black Mountain at Evarts and he had to run over alot of rocks and little trees due to the width. Will a Rzr-S fit -- Yep most of the time. Does a Rzr-S have to run over more stuff -- yep some of the time.


Basically I'd build it like a jacked up Honda Odyssey or Pilot from the 1980's and squeeze two seats in if possible. Come to think of it -- is that what Polaris did with the Rzr???

What would be the perfect width, length for a side X side Spec6740lg1

YEARS MANUFACTURED: 1989 & 1990MODEL: FL400R

ENGINE:397cc single cylinder two stroke
IGNITION: Solid State CD
STARTER: Electric and recoil
TRANSMISSION: V-belt torque converter with forward/neutral /reverse LENGTH: 96.4 inches WIDTH: 50.50 inches
HEIGHT: 57.2 inches
WHEELBASE: 62.2 inches
GROUND CLEARANCE: 5.3 inches
FUEL CAPACITY: 4.2 gallons includes 1.3 gallon reserve
TIRESFRONT: 22 x 7--10
REAR: 24 x 11-10
SUSPENSION FRONT: Double wishbone,5.9" travel,shocks
REAR: Double wishbone,7.1" travel,gas charged shocks
DRY WEIGHT: 605 pounds
COLOR: Red
OPTIONAL HONDALINE ACCESSORIES:
Front and rear bumpers,nerf bars,skid plate,tachometer,body cover(no longer available from Honda)
BRAKES FRONT: Dual hydraulic drums
REAR: Single hydraulic disc


Honda , was a head of there time. it just did not take off back then.
thay need to remake the pilot. just as it was but 2 seats
and an 800 twin and add 4wd , and it would be a killer
machine..... allright

Then Marty's next machine would not need to be
the big red pig that he wants..... roflmao
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roamerr wrote:

GROUND CLEARANCE: 5.3 inches

TIRESFRONT: 22 x 7--10
REAR: 24 x 11-10


Would not be much of a rock crawler nor a mudder but would be killer on the gravel roads..... lol!
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Back in the day those 24" tires were considered big! The rear brakes remind me of my Rhino or Can-am -- sucky brakes (REAR: Single hydraulic disc).
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You could use "final drives" on the end of each axle to mount the hubs, and still get the ground clearance everyone wants in a pretty narrow track.

Of course you'd then have a higher center of gravity...

IMO, you can't have it both ways -- which is more important in your compromise solution?
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mud-and-guts wrote:


Would not be much of a rock crawler nor a mudder but would be killer on the gravel roads..... lol!


Thats me. cheers HatWave Yahoo
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Thanks for all the input guys. I guess as it stands now it looks like it will be around 77" wheel base with a some where close to 58-60" width. I want it as long and as wide as possible but short and narrow enough to get through the rocks and trees where I ride. I plan to put the seats close to the floor similar to a RZR so I can keep the center of gravity as low as possible. I want to keep the cage low for the same reason and also so I can get under the trees that sometimes are down on the trails. I can't make my mind up about a windshield. Yes, no, half, glass, plexiglass????? I had one on my Rhino and it was really scratched up after only one ride. It ended up getting broken because I had it let down and I got into a tree on trail 12 at Windrock. I replaced it with one from Hunter Works that was solid but had vents at the bottom. It didn't scratch hardly at all but I didn't get much air. Any opinions on a windshield?
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I like the 1/2 windshield as it keeps most of the wind and debris off you and still lets enough air flow thru to keep the dust from pulling into the cab. I bought mine 2 years ago from Extreme Metal Products and it has taken a beating and has held up well.
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wvyankee2 wrote:
I like the 1/2 windshield as it keeps most of the wind and debris off you and still lets enough air flow thru to keep the dust from pulling into the cab. I bought mine 2 years ago from Extreme Metal Products and it has taken a beating and has held up well.

I agree I like the half windshield also. I have the Yamaha half and it is holding up excellent.
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Yeah, I kind of like the half unless it rains. I may try to build something that I can just remove the upper part. I liked the folding windshield I had except that when I let it down it cought on a tree and busted it. If I make the upper cage so that the upper part is small enough I might get by using one from a Rhino and cut it down to fit. I remember riding at Windrock with the full windshield and you had to keep stopping to clean the snow off, bummer.
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I ripped up my folding windshield also. I have the same Hunterworks windshield too. I put the full shield on when it is cold and take it off when it is hot. This works best for me.

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Big-R wrote:
I ripped up my folding windshield also. I have the same Hunterworks windshield too. I put the full shield on when it is cold and take it off when it is hot. This works best for me.

I think this winter I will get a full windshield myself. Since the Seizmik doors I am running have upper half's it should hold a little heat.
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mud-and-guts wrote:
Big-R wrote:
I ripped up my folding windshield also. I have the same Hunterworks windshield too. I put the full shield on when it is cold and take it off when it is hot. This works best for me.

I think this winter I will get a full windshield myself. Since the Seizmik doors I am running have upper half's it should hold a little heat.

I have a full windshield and a back enclose-meant and that alone keeps heat inside the cab.

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