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PostSubject: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptySat Nov 14, 2009 9:06 pm

I found this and thought someone here might be interested.

http://www.utvchat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=948
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptySat Nov 14, 2009 9:09 pm

if you jump big they may bend.
also the top mount lifts make the mounts stronger.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptySat Nov 14, 2009 9:15 pm

From their pics it looks like the shock towers are made of some really thin metal. If so that might be a worthy investment.
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptySat Nov 14, 2009 9:34 pm

they are a little thin but on my rzr that i totaled the mounts for the a-arms bent but the shock mounts was unharmed.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptySat Nov 14, 2009 10:14 pm

that was probably a 08 model frame, polaris beefed up the mounts in 09.
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 9:55 am

The 08's has extremely weak mounts... 09'+ got a little better but still lacking a bit.

We came up with these in 07' when the tin cans first came out:

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After the 09's came out with the bent lip on the edge we were still bending them so we came up with this:

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 10:47 am

That looks like a very worthy investment for RZR owners.
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 3:51 pm

a guy with a standard(except for 2" lift and 28"dirt devils) 08 ranger rzr(not an "S" model) in our riding group hit one of those big ditches in trail 22 and snapped the tie-rod right in half.what did it look it look like?a small #2 pencil that was hollow on the inside??????i do not see how it stood up to his 1776 miles of punishment?but he also has had 2 new motors(burnt the oil out of it),3 new tires(plugs) and 3 new axles.but anyway that doesent seem like good quality to me,but it might be the year of his machine
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 4:27 pm

He he he... We've got the solution for this too! Check it out HERE.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 6:21 pm

Andy, I am considering buying a regular RZR and adding your S kit to it.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 6:27 pm

Do it! Honestly, going this route is a far better way to go... You can easily get the power out of it, use our S kit, and for about the same price as a new S, you end up with a machine that is FAR better than a stock S.

I'm not trying to knock the guys who prefer to just get the S and be done w/ it... It's just dollar for dollar vs. strength this is just the way to go...

If you realy want to do it on the cheap get a used RZR for around $7-8k and then add this stuff...
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyTue Dec 01, 2009 7:27 pm

Andy wrote:
Do it! Honestly, going this route is a far better way to go... You can easily get the power out of it, use our S kit, and for about the same price as a new S, you end up with a machine that is FAR better than a stock S.

I'm not trying to knock the guys who prefer to just get the S and be done w/ it... It's just dollar for dollar vs. strength this is just the way to go...

If you realy want to do it on the cheap get a used RZR for around $7-8k and then add this stuff...


I think if I were in the market for a RZR I would go this route also. But I am the type that can not leave well enough alone, I got to make it mine. I wish I had gotten the base edition Rhino instead of the SE.
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 11:14 am

Andy wrote:
Do it! Honestly, going this route is a far better way to go... You can easily get the power out of it, use our S kit, and for about the same price as a new S, you end up with a machine that is FAR better than a stock S.



You can't really believe what you are saying can you? There is a lot more to a S than just the a-arms, Try 2000.00 worth of Fox Podium shocks, the H.O. motor, with stronger crank and rods, performance head, exhaust and ecu programing, beefier transmission, better roll cage, Alloy wheels with Bighorn Tires, Painted body and S fender flairs not to mention besides adding your 2000.00 a-arm kit, you would need 4 axles and longer brake lines. Plus a lot of labor. And thats just using the stock shocks and stock steel wheels and 25'' tires. A Stock rzr can be bought new for about 10k, a new S for 12,300 so just adding your kit and required items puts you over the price of a S,and you still need to spend thousands more to get shocks,wheels and tires and you still have less performance, thats a lousy deal any way you look at it IMO.

You got a nice kit, but saying adding it to a standard rzr makes it better than a S is simply Bullshit plain and simple. thatsright
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 12:00 pm

I get your point. I wasn't trying to say just the arm kit alone would morph the standard RZR into an S though... hide You could add the arm kit as well as new shocks and axles for about the same price as the difference in cost for a new standard RZR vs. a RZR S and have SUBSTANTIALLY better suspension in EVERY aspect of the word. I guess I should have stated a little more clearly that there will still be some astetics and power still missing... I'll also say that I do not keep tabs on what the things are going for nowadays... My statement is only based on MSRP. But if you say you can get a RZR S brand new for $12k then your right about all of this. I'll bet though, if the S is down this much, the standard RZR can be found for less than $10k...

I honestly haven't kept very good tabs on the variations in motors from one model to the other but I'm pretty sure (unless they substantially changed the S for 2010) there is not nearly the differences you've stated internally in the motor. I could be wrong, and you can gladly knock me off my pedestal if you'd like on this one, but I'm going to need some pretty solid proof of the facts that the RZR S engine has anything more than an HO cam, reflashed ECU and the spacer removed from the primary clutch. I'm just going to say now that I think most "internet B.S." is simply that... poo

We can debate on a ton of stuff if you'd like. I'm always up for that. All I'm trying to say is as far as pure performance goes, adding our kit and a few power adders, will net you better performance and strength than provided by a bone stock RZR S. This does not include the wheels, plastics, cute little cage extentions, and the other things you've mentioned. You are dead right about these things. If those are important, you definetly NEED an S. Smiles
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 12:53 pm

Just do a little research on RZR.net or on the Polaris parts search that we have stickied in the RZR section and you can see for yourself there is a difference in the crankshafts and some other parts on the S motor and its been that way since the S came out, the 2010 did get transmission upgrades and clutch changes also. i try and keep up with the rzr and everything about them as much as i can, the clutch spacer you mentioned has not been used in any rzr since oct. of 2008. The prices i quoted are published on Ritchie Powersports site, where i and others on here bought our machines. You can add your kit to a standard rzr, but you will have as much or more money invested in the finished product than the cost of a S and it still will not be anything but a 60"wide stock rzr with stronger a-arms. How you figure this makes it a better performer than a S i cant figure. Of course if you wanted to pour untold amounts of cash into shocks, wheels/tires and performance mods then yes you could obtain a as good or better machine without those cute little things like better roll cage and other things you consider useless. Money will most times buy any result in the mechanical world as long as your pockets are deep enough.
My point was to simply, to rebut your statement that by installing your S a-arm kit on a standard rzr makes it better than a S model. Which IMO was just totally false in every aspect except for it having stronger a-arms.

Here are the crankshafts for the rzr, you can see the S has a different part # from the standard. The reason given on rzr.net as to why it was stronger was because the S motor is set up to turn higher rpms and has a higher rev limiter than the standard.

2009 RGR RANGER RZR 800 EFI ALL OPTIONS ENGINE, CRANKCASE and CRANKSHAFT - R09VH76
2009 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI ENGINE, CRANKCASE and CRANKSHAFT - R09VH76AX


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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 3:13 pm

Gunny, I will have to look some more but the only difference I can find (other then LT) is High Compression piston, Belt, ECU and Header. You keep saying the S has a BEEFER transmission and I can't find that info.

It would be easy to change everything above, but the Transmission is a different story.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 4:21 pm

Big-R wrote:
Gunny, I will have to look some more but the only difference I can find (other then LT) is High Compression piston, Belt, ECU and Header. You keep saying the S has a BEEFER transmission and I can't find that info.

It would be easy to change everything above, but the Transmission is a different story.

The transmission info came from ChrisC's conversation with Metro Powersports Main Mechanic, Maybe Chris can tell you the exact difference. I just cant see why anyone would try and go this route unless they all ready owned a standard rzr.

A new S costs 3k more than a standard.
Now do the numbers;
S-A-Arm kit -----------------------2000.00
4 axle shafts --------------400.00
Big Horn tires ------ -------390.00
(4) S Alloy Wheels/caps---- 460.00
(4) SS brake lines----------- 200.00
(4) fox or WER shocks -----------1600.00
Total so far-----------------------5050.00
Also add in sales tax or shipping charges for all these parts
plus labor to install if you cant do it all yourself.

Youre already over 2000.00 more than a new S and you still have none of the H.O.
Motor performance mods, twin header exhaust, fender flairs, roll cage extension, or the stronger transmission. and it will be plastic red or green, unless you pay extra for a LE model (700.00 more) but you would have more color choices and would save you from buying wheels too.
Can you imagine how much more you would have to invest to just get to the stock performance level of the S? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 4:35 pm

the S does use a bigger belt than the standard rzr but i dont know what all is diff.


i love the S and its the best bang for the $$$$.

BUT!!

for the riding i do the most here at the house it is very tight. i get around great but i rub the fenders and the wheels alot.
i think the best for me would have been a mid travel kit on a stardard rzr. i looked into this when i was replacing my crashed LE. but after buying a mid-travel kit (all arms and axles) then a good set of shocks the price would have been around $2000 more than the S and still not have the extra power the S has. its not much more power but there is a little more with the S. i also thought about useing the stock shocks and putting the makin-trax springs on them but that is right at the price of the S. if i had the $$ in hand i may have went this route but i got my money from the bank and i dont think they work give me and extra $3000+ with my loan to make an S.






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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 4:41 pm

800XP RZR RZRS


Head 3021915 3021934 3021934

Crankshaft2203068 2203068 2203068

Piston 2202917 2202917 2203715

Camshaft 2202110 2203740 2203740

Injector 1202863 1202863 1202863

PriClutch 1322896 1322851 1322851

Weights 5632337 5632337 5632337
23-62 Gr.

SecClutch 1322848 1322875 1322875

Spring 7043167 7043167 7043167

Belt 3211133 3211113 3211133

Muffler RZR-1262011-489 RZRS-1262011-489

ECU 4011599 4011599 4011599

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 4:53 pm

ridepate wrote:
800XP RZR RZRS


Head 3021915 3021934 3021934

Crankshaft2203068 2203068 2203068

Piston 2202917 2202917 2203715

Camshaft 2202110 2203740 2203740

Injector 1202863 1202863 1202863

PriClutch 1322896 1322851 1322851

Weights 5632337 5632337 5632337
23-62 Gr.

SecClutch 1322848 1322875 1322875

Spring 7043167 7043167 7043167

Belt 3211133 3211113 3211133

Muffler RZR-1262011-489 RZRS-1262011-489

ECU 4011599 4011599 4011599

That is what I am finding.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 4:57 pm

Tranny and rear-diff are the same. Valves and springs the same also on all three.
Rear-diffs are the same on regular and S gears included.
S-housing pass-3234860 Drivers-3234861
Reg-pass 3234860 Drivers-3234861
Ratios are the same.
As far as the motors are concerned the pistons and header are the only difference along with a different ECU map. The reg has a lighter-duty belt.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 5:04 pm

GunRunner wrote:
Andy wrote:
Do it! Honestly, going this route is a far better way to go... You can easily get the power out of it, use our S kit, and for about the same price as a new S, you end up with a machine that is FAR better than a stock S.



You can't really believe what you are saying can you? There is a lot more to a S than just the a-arms, Try 2000.00 worth of Fox Podium shocks, the H.O. motor, with stronger crank and rods, performance head, exhaust and ecu programing, beefier transmission, better roll cage, Alloy wheels with Bighorn Tires, Painted body and S fender flairs not to mention besides adding your 2000.00 a-arm kit, you would need 4 axles and longer brake lines. Plus a lot of labor. And thats just using the stock shocks and stock steel wheels and 25'' tires. A Stock rzr can be bought new for about 10k, a new S for 12,300 so just adding your kit and required items puts you over the price of a S,and you still need to spend thousands more to get shocks,wheels and tires and you still have less performance, thats a lousy deal any way you look at it IMO.

You got a nice kit, but saying adding it to a standard rzr makes it better than a S is simply Bullshit plain and simple. thatsright


Wrong - "stronger crank and rods" "performance head" "beefier transmission" all the same between the two. Those Fox-podiums can be shown-up on any given day by a set of WER's or Elkas.

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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 5:10 pm

Big-R wrote:

That is what I am finding.

Try looking at the parts lookup and comparing the usage at the right of the page and you can see the S has a specific part number section and the standard is not listed in the usage of these parts.
here is the pistons and cyl. you can see the S is listed but not the standard.
ge : 2203715

Year Product Model Assembly
2010 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI ENGINE, PISTON and CYLINDER - R10VH76AW/AO/AB
2010 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI INTL ENGINE, PISTON and CYLINDER - R10VH76FX

2009 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI ENGINE, PISTON and CYLINDER - [color=orange]R09VH76AX

2009 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI INTL ENGINE, PISTON and CYLINDER - R09VH76FX



Here is the transmission, notice the S and standard also have the different number sections same as the piston and cyl.



Usage : 1332768

Year Product Model Assembly
2009 RGR RANGER RZR 800 EFI ALL OPTIONS DRIVE TRAIN, GEARCASE, CARRIER MTG (BUILT 10/16/08 AND AFTER) - R09VH76 ALL OPTIONS
2009 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI DRIVE TRAIN, MAIN GEARCASE INTERNAL COMPONENTS 1 - R09VH76AX
2009 RGR RANGER RZR "S" 800 EFI DRIVE TRAIN, MAIN GEARCASE INTERNAL COMPONENTS 2 - R09VH76AX
2009 RGR RANGER RZR 800 EFI ALL OPTIONS DRIVE TRAIN, MAIN GEARCASE INTL COMP 1 (BUILT 10/16/08 AND AFTER) - R09VH76 ALL OPTIONS
2009 RGR RANGER RZR 800 EFI ALL OPTIONS DRIVE TRAIN, MAIN GEARCASE INTL COMP 2 (BUILT 10/16/08 AND AFTER) - R09VH76 ALL OPTIONS

Im just trying to show you where i get my info, not to argue. you guys believe what you want.
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PostSubject: Re: RZR shock towers Bending   RZR shock towers Bending EmptyWed Dec 02, 2009 5:43 pm

WOW... Not gonna lie, my butt hurts a little from this one man... spank

I will still stand by my statement 100% that our kit w/ our tuned Kings or Elka's will outrun a stock S suspension any day. I may not have as much time to keep up on the engine stuff as you, (because I have no interest in this end of the business) but I have easily had more experience with shocks and suspension tuning than most people have had eating breakfast. You cannot tell me the Podiums are up to snuff...

Anyways... I'll drop it at this. I have seen dozens of stock S arms twisted like pretzels at this point. I have yet to see one of our A-arms come back for a warrantee. This is good for us because we offer a lifetime warranty on all of our arms against bending and breaking, even during a race. This alone has been proven by our sales to be worth the money to many racers around the world. For recreational riders, sure, go for the factory RZR S. All I'm saying is you give me a standard RZR w/ our S kit on it and a cam, programmer and clutch kit and I'll run circles around your stock S. Eat
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For what it's worth, I did not see there was another entire page added to this thread before I posted last. I don't have time to read it right now because I have to leave work...
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