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if your machine is stock and a 2010 or 2011 please watch my youtube video and tell me if you hear this with yours. I have not heard of anyone complaining about a noise when you first start that sounds like a spark knock or just a plain knocking noise. If you have had it please tell me what you did to fix it. With the box all the way unhooked the noise is not there. with it on setting 4 from hunterworks I can hear it but even weirder is on setting 1 which is suppost to be all stock setting it is even worse. Let me know what you think.


also from what I am understanding the msd does nothing for you machine if it is stock except raise the rpm and speed limiter? I was expecting to have more of the seat feeling by just adding this box like it did when I added a dynatek on my brute....... very disappointing.
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No T-rex here Mud.....but I can hear the noise. Man that's strange !
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Kinda hard to tell from the vid, but sounds like you prolly have too much timing down low. I dont know what the timing advance curve Todd builds looks like, But I would say theres too much advance down low.

Has he offered to take te MSD back? I would push to get another one from him, as there could have been a glitch in the programming, or he just plain puts too much timing in down low. That might not be an issue in the warm months, but when its cold out it will cause issues.
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Don't have one yet, but that did not sound good at all. I would not be using it.

Correct on the performance on stock machine. Just bypassing the limiters is all you get. Don't see the gains until you uncork the motor with exhaust Mods. With a OD clutch cap and the MSD, you will be able to cruise easily in the low 60's though with a stock machine.
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Sounds like the belt is slapping....almost trying to engage? Would this happen with a higher rpm at idle?
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Stench wrote:
Sounds like the belt is slapping....almost trying to engage? Would this happen with a higher rpm at idle?


yeah, but it sounded to me like the stock box had a faster idle.
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The MSD is not working properly, Idleing too low with too much added timing down low, or at least thats my guess!
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dont know what the stock box idle is but on setting 4 the idle is jumping in the 1100's and breaks very low 1200's. the manual says 1100 +-50 so it is on the higher side of specs. not by much. it is for sure in the motor instead of the belt. well I just noticed the noise is gone once warmed up. the idle I just checked was at 150deg so i need to check the idle at cold state to see if the belt thing may be but I swear it sound motor to me. still i dont hear any one else complaining about this on a stock set up. the only reason I got this was the way it is marketed as this on hunterworks site.

"Comes with our own timing advance curve to for a seat of the pants feel performance increase'

if I knew litmiters was the only thing it did I would not of done it. I am going to do an extended warr so I cant do exhauat

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Exhaust does not void your warranty.
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The MSD box does do timing, and thats where your noise is.
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Shocked something is not right with it........
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Did the MSD come with any programming software??
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Craig if the noise goes away when hot, what do I need to do with it? the setting on the map is all at 0 at idle?
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700 yes it did that is what I have been looking at
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You might can change settings with the software, so the timing curve won't be bumped up as much.
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If you were to park it outside when the temps are low, like 30's or lower, I bet it wont even start.

Im not familiar with the MSD programming software. What you need to see is what the stock timing is. BUT...if 0 on your MSD is supposed to be stock, then something is wrong with your box. I would first, get Hunterworks to exchange it for another one, he should know enough to know how to write a timing map, I dont doubt that a bit. So that would honestly be your best route.

If the MSD program will show you the stock timing map....you need to leave the timing alone untill around 1500rpm, then start advancing it. Its not an easy thing to tune per say, and if your not familiar with tuning stuff like that, its best to leave it to someone who has experience with it, like Todd at Hunterworks!
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Sounds like the timing is to far advanced, thats why it struggles to start. i wouldnt use it till i figured out how to get the timing right.
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well I played with it last night and really nothing came out of it. I did notice though once the machine warmed up the noise went away. and did not come back once warm. I know the stock computer richens the machine up til it gets warm so I wonder if a to rich condition is causing it.

last night as it was making noise I couldnt figure out how to change the fuel and when I figured it out the damn this stopped making it. so tonight when I get home I am going to lean it out as it making the noise and see if it goes away. If it does though I dont know how to fix it cause the stock ecu is making the rich condition and leaning out the msd at idle will way lean it out after warm. any thoughts??????


CRAIG-- if all the setting are at 0 that means the program has not changed any stock settings right? so the timing would be the same as stock?
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Gunny in the video the one for setting #4 which in the vid was the 2nd I started it was actually the first time I started it for the night. for some reason the very first time I hit the key with or with out the msd it never starts the first time. I always have to hit it a second time. has done that since new. after the first time of the day or night it always starts right up. from my understanding on the map if a 0 is in the block then stock setting has not been changed. on the fuel and timing chart they are both a 0's around the idle area. I am going to call Todd back and ask him if 0's mean that it has not been changed.
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just called todd and all the setting for fuel and timing are all at 0's and have not been touched at idle. so now what?
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If it was mine, id get my money back and try something else, If you want the best, here it is. I have this on my HD and i have a friend near me that owns a tuning center with dyno that can set it up for you. He tunes sxs's a lot, or you can get it setup for your mods from the dealer.
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander_v.aspx?mk=8&mdl=288&yr=17-018&pcVersion=PCV&PartNum=17-018
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the only thing with those is you cannot remove the rev limiter or remove the speed limiter,adjust ignition, monitor engine temp, engine timming and some other things.
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Im talking the PC=V (5) not the 3, you can control everything on mine thru my laptop.
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GunRunner wrote:
Im talking the PC=V (5) not the 3, you can control everything on mine thru my laptop.


You can control everything on the MSD through the Laptop too.
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Mudcon, what is Todd saying about this. He deals with a lot of these. Getting anything out of him?
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