new yamaha

any news? when they may release something new? anything?

Just get the Orange T4, you can thank me later

Yeah, there awesome!

      Don't care anymore, we are done waiting, time to move on

BIG D 57 wrote:

      Don't care anymore, we are done waiting, time to move on

  

bush wrote:

any news?  when they may release something new? anything?

I'm going to wait a few more years, too see what new comes out. I'm ready for something different.

Big D is on the move!!!!!  

Regardless of whatever is next on their list (five machines in five years, whatever) I just don't see them pushing the envelope in the sport segment like we are used to seeing from Polaris, AC, and Can-Am. They may very well eventually debut a quasi sport machine but I wouldn't expect it to perform anywhere close to a 900 Polaris. It's sad that a company with the resources of Yamaha refuses to do something better.

njcraddock wrote:

Regardless of whatever is next on their list (five machines in five years, whatever) I just don't see them pushing the envelope in the sport segment like we are used to seeing from Polaris, AC, and Can-Am. They may very well eventually debut a quasi sport machine but I wouldn't expect it to perform anywhere close to a 900 Polaris. It's sad that a company with the resources of Yamaha refuses to do something better.

  

 

njcraddock wrote:

Regardless of whatever is next on their list (five machines in five years, whatever) I just don't see them pushing the envelope in the sport segment like we are used to seeing from Polaris, AC, and Can-Am. They may very well eventually debut a quasi sport machine but I wouldn't expect it to perform anywhere close to a 900 Polaris. It's sad that a company with the resources of Yamaha refuses to do something better.

All the Japanese Mfg's (Honda/Kawasaki/Yamaha/Suzuki) have showed no interest in a pure high performance sport SxS. They have done the same thing with their Utility/Sport ATV's. No Big Bore monster machines with 1000 motors like the Polaris/Arctic Cats/CanAm's have. They don't seem interested in the high end performance market for these machines.

Yeah, it seems like they know that their bread and butter is going to be for farm/ranch use and that is the segment they are going after. It would be interesting to see exactly how many RZRs Polaris has sold each year and compare that to the number of Vikings/Rhinos, Mules/Teryxs, and Big Reds/Pioneers are sold each year. I am willing to bet that the sport segment is bigger than any of the Japanese realize. I would also bet that the Japs are envious of Polaris' growth since '08 too.

I read somewhere that the utility side is much larger than the sport side by quite a lot

I've heard that too, but have never seen any numbers. Polaris stock has tripled in value since the introduction of the RZR, in large part due to the success of the RZR even while the economy was down for several of those years. Had the Japanese come out with something to compete with the RZR they could have had a slice of that pie. Maybe they just are making so much money already that it isn't worth their time?

Everyone keeps saying the utility market it where its at.. It might be, But I can tell around here when you walk into one of the dealers there is 3-4x the sport machines then there are utilities. And very very few quads. And like others said polaris's stock has done nothing but clime since they started selling RZRs... I know their rangers don't do bad either, But our two dealers might have 2-3 rangers on hand vs over atleast a dozen RZRs at any given time... I know on the west coast the sport market dominates. It seems to be the same all the way down here in AL.. The only thing I can figure is maybe the commercial market. Like power companies, construction, landscaping, ect might be pushing the numbers up on utilities..

For those that want to read all this, feel free. The main info I was looking for was what percentage of 2013 SxS sales were for the sport market. They claim it was 38%, which is a significant increase from 9% in 2008.


Defining the UTV marketplace
2014 Honda Pioneer 700

Guido Ebert, Contributing Writer
February 28, 2014
Filed under Features, Top Stories

Power Products Marketing data shows 10 percent UTV growth in 2013

While rip-roaring vehicles like the Polaris RZR, Arctic Cat Wildcat and Can-Am Maverick in recent years have amassed the lion’s share of headlines about the utility vehicle (UTV) market, these popular fun machines actually represent a smaller percentage of the total UTV landscape than more work-oriented models.

Lets investigate the makeup of the market and discover which vehicle types actually are responsible for the majority of sales.

UTVs often are also broadly referred to as side-by-side vehicles (SxSs or SSVs) or Recreational Utility Vehicles (RUVs). Further, OEMs use a bevy of unique terms that define these vehicles in various segments and niches. All of these encompass a very broad number of off-road vehicle types and, because the market has changed so much in recent years, there is much ambiguity about what each term specifically represents.

In its latest annual report on the landscape of the UTV industry, market research firm Power Products Marketing (PPM) attempts to stem further confusion by offering new, expanded and more definitive classifications.

PPM’s general classification acknowledges that UTVs have bench or bucket seats for one or more passengers as opposed to all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) where passengers sit astride the machine like a motorcycle.  They can be driven either by internal combustion (IC) engine or electric-power and can differ significantly in body style from the typical injection plastic molding bodies to heavy-plated steel bodies commonly found on vehicles in industrial plants and warehouses. They have 2-wheel-drive (4×2), 4-wheel-drive (4×4) or 6-wheel-drive (6×4) options; typically have rear dump beds, cargo beds or additional seating; and can be classified as light-duty (1,200 lbs. and under capacity), medium-duty (1,201-1,800 lbs. capacity) or heavy-duty (over 1,800 lbs. capacity).

From there, the classification of these vehicles becomes more demarcated.
Pure Utility Vehicles

Speed-governed at under 35 mph, and mostly without independent rear suspension, these models offer a large cargo area or built-in component attachments, 2WD or 4WD, 2- and 4-passenger seating with bench or bucket seats, and a variety of IC engines. Includes all diesel models.  Examples include the Bobcat Toolcat, Deere TX, Kawasaki Mule 4010 and Kubota RTV series.
Utility Crossover Vehicles

Achieving speeds of 44-53 mph, these models feature a large cargo area, utility styling, independent rear suspension, 2- and 4-passenger seating, 4WD and a variety of IC engines. Examples include the Deere XUV series, Honda Pioneer, Polaris Ranger and Yamaha Viking.
Recreational Utility Vehicles
UTVs that offer recreational fun in a utility-capable package like the 2014 Honda Pioneer 700 are responsible for the majority of sales in North America.

UTVs that offer recreational fun in a utility-capable package like the 2014 Honda Pioneer 700 are responsible for the majority of sales in North America.

With speeds of 42-55 mph, these models offer sport styling with a smaller cargo area, independent rear suspension, fuel-injected engines, 2- and 4-passenger seating with bucket seats only, and 4WD. Examples include the Arctic Cat Prowler, CF Moto ZForce 600 and Kawasaki Teryx. The single-seat Polaris Sportsman ACE also will fall in this category.
Sport Recreational Vehicles

Offering fuel-injected engines 700cc and larger, and capable of speeds between 52-70 mph, these models offer sport styling with a smaller cargo area, independent rear suspension, 2- and 4-passenger seating with bucket seats only, and 4WD. Examples include the Can-Am Commander, Polaris RZR 800 and Hisun 800.
Super Sport Vehicles

Powered by fuel-injected engines 800cc and larger and capable of speeds exceeding 70 mph, these models feature sport styling with a limited cargo area, independent rear suspension, 2- and 4-passenger seating with bucket seats, superior handling and suspension and 4WD. Examples include the Arctic Cat Wildcat X, Can-Am Maverick X 1000R and Polaris RZR XP 1000.
Electric Vehicles

Not LSV/NEV certified, these units are speed-governed at 25 mph and under and offer a large cargo area, 2- and 4-passenger seating, and can be either 2WD or 4WD. They are popular at golf courses, in industrial plants and warehouses, and with hunters. Examples include Bad Boy Buggies’ Recoil iS, the Club Car Carryall, E-Z-Go ST and Toro MDE.

Consumer applications include sales mostly to recreational riders, farmers, ranchers, hunters and large-acre estates/hobby farms, etc. Commercial applications include sales mostly to municipalities, golf courses and resorts, government agencies, contractors, warehouse use, colleges and universities, sports fields, parks and rec, nurseries, cemeteries, campgrounds, etc.

So how do those classifications combine in the market? According to PPM analysis, of the roughly 320,000 UTVs retailed in North America in 2012, models that went toward consumer use accounted for around 85 percent of sales, and models for commercial applications were responsible for roughly 15 percent of the total.

However, of the consumer uses tallied in PPM’s research, Sport Recreational Vehicles and Super Sport Vehicles accounted for only 38 percent of vehicles, with the remainder of the sub-set made up mostly of the Utility Crossover Vehicles and Recreational Utility Vehicles.

But the UTV market hasn’t always looked this way. Going back a decade, the scene appeared much different.

Between 2000 and 2002, as the North American UTV market struggled to maintain itself over 100,000 units in the aftermath of the 2000 recession, the market was split 60 percent commercial vs. 40 percent consumer — of course, that was before the introduction in 2003 of the game-changing Yamaha Rhino, a vehicle that offered recreational fun in a utility-capable package.

PPM says its preliminary estimates suggest UTV sales in North America grew approximately 10 percent during 2013.




UTV sales data shows importance of new inventory


Dave McMahon, Editor in Chief
February 21, 2014
Filed under Features, Top Stories

ADP Lightspeed study reveals only 1 in 10 UTVs purchased used

A study by ADP Lightspeed of more than 88,000 purchases of side-by-sides in 2013 shows that 91 percent of all side-by-sides are purchased new. Only 9 percent of side-by-side buyers in 2013 bought pre-owned units, according to the data provided to Powersports Business.

Of those who bought new UTVs in 2013, 82 percent of them did so without a trade. Those who purchased their new UTV with a unit to trade accounted for 18 percent of sales, the ADP Lightspeed data shows.

Of those who purchased a new UTV via a trade-in during 2013, nearly one-third of them traded in a multi-purpose UTV. Here’s a breakdown of what the new buyers traded in as part of their purchase:

UTV Multi-purpose:  29.3 percent
ATV Multi-purpose:  26.1 percent
Motorcycle:  15.8 percent
UTV Sport:  10.4 percent
Other:  7.6 percent
ATV Sport:  5.2 percent
Snowmobile:  2.4 percent
PWC:  1.4 percent
Auto/boat/RV:  1.2 percent
Scooter:  0.4 percent

The study also finds that among new UTV buyers in 2013 who used a trade as part of their purchase, 87 percent of them traded in one unit. Meanwhile, 13 percent of those who bought a new UTV via trade did so by trading in more than one unit as part of their purchase.

Good information there. I am actually a little surprised that the sport market ks close to 40%. I knew it was significant but didn't think it would be quite that high. Makes you wonder even more why the Japanese are totally ignoring such a huge chunk of the market. Is it possible that upper management is against it because of the history of the lawsuits?

njcraddock wrote:

Good information there. I am actually a little surprised  that the sport market ks close to 40%. I knew it was significant but didn't think it would be quite that high. Makes you wonder even more why the Japanese are totally ignoring such a huge chunk of the market. Is it possible that upper management is against it because of the history  of the lawsuits?

I think it is because the market has change abruptly and they were not ready. With numbers like that, the Japanese will have to start looking. If they haven't already.

ridepate wrote:

Big D is on the move!!!!!  

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MIKE_D wrote:

  

IN DUE TIME    

when to a local polaris dealer today. they was colsed but had about 20 rangers and 2 rzrs a 50 800 and a 1000 4seater   

Hmmmmmmm.......

September 2015, hmm.