Arizona's New Immigration Law

No sooner had pen been put to paper in Arizona to create one of the nation's toughest new immigration laws, than liberal special interest groups in Washington began plotting schemes to destroy it.

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Nice! You obviously have a great handle on this issue!!

I do get it and here's a bit more food for thought!!!


“It isn't an Arizona, California or Texas problem, it's Nation Wide. There are as many illegal folks in Arkansas and Oregon as in the States that have borders with other countries such as Canada and Mexico.

The problem speaks to National Security as well as our economy. If an illegal of any race wants to enter the U.S. they can and mark my words . . . in the next three to five years we WILL have suicide bombers like there are in the Middle East and Biological terrorists who instead of blowing up a 100 or so folks along with themselves will instead choose to meet their maker by intentionally infecting themselves with Small Pox or some other deadly and highly contagious disease which they will easily spread in airports, subways, football stadiums and other high density public areas.

Remember that the majority of our population has never been inoculated against many of these “old school” diseases since most were officially eradicated world wide decades ago.

Even if you have been inoculated when young if you’re an old bastard like me, the efficacy of same is diluted over time and you’d likely succumb.

So in comes OUR Government to save the greater populace by quarantining entire Locals, Cities and even States in the name of the “better good”! Martial Law is established, OUR own Armed forces are setup to contain us and no one can leave the confines established, obtain supplies or meaningful medical assistance since we are not prepared for such an obvious attack.

Even the H1N1 nasal inoculation is a danger since it contains 20% live virus verses the shot which is inert, so you have a bunch of people who are technically infected and contagious running around in public during their inoculation period creating the possibility of further spread by virtue of this method of inoculation administration.

Think about it folks, it’s about way more than cheap labor and open arms to folks desiring to enter OUR Country!!!”

A $25,000 fine for anyone or any business that is caught employing an illegal would take care of it.

Yank wrote:

A $25,000 fine for anyone or any business that is caught employing an illegal would take care of it.

yes it would

make it $200,000 fine ,make it hurt them good

Well, I have ran into this problem here in KY. I was caught with illegals. It was a $10,000 fine per. However, we really thought that many of them were legal and the courts thought we were trying to keep things legal also. Therefore, we were not fined. Moreover, INS will take a look at anyone applying for a job and if they are not legal...... see ya.

I had a conversation with the INS officer about competition and price of labor and being under cut on price. He said he can make things more equal if he had names of companies to look out for. He was not kidding!!!!!

"We really thought that many of the were legal"????? Are you saying that you had an idea that some of them were NOT legal and hired them anyway??

Woodtick wrote:

"We really thought that many of the were legal"????? Are you saying that you had an idea that some of them were NOT legal and hired them anyway??

All the documents looked legal but I had my doubts on a couple. I do have partners that run the day to day operation of the company. They gave the OK for hire. But I honestly did not know that all but two were illegal. It is not as cut and dry as everyone thinks. Knowing what I know now makes it much easier to spot.

We did not have your typical migrant workers. Hell, all the guys that have been working for us had been employed for nine years. They had health insurance, 401K and disability insurance. Moreover, someone was paying taxes.

INS laws are easy for them to skirt around.......and BigR is soooooooooo right.....all of the paper work can look 100% correct, and yet in reality it is totally bogus. We have 45 Mexicans here at the nursery. I know many of them on a personal level. There was one guy that had a name change 3 times in 3 different years. BUT.......his paper work looked totally correct and if I did not know him, one would never have know.

All of these thoughtful discussions highlight the fact of how screwed up our current system is regarding "this" particular issue . . . never mind all the rest of the crap our Government currently runs or heaven forbid . . . we allow them to run in the future!

The Lyin King wrote:

All of these thoughtful discussions highlight the fact of how screwed up our current system is regarding "this" particular issue . . . never mind all the rest of the crap our Government currently runs or heaven forbid . . . we allow them to run in the future!

You are so right.

This was sent to me by a friend in Arizona . . . Bob


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This was one of the issues that sparked this new immigration reform. It is sad that those so close to the border are at risk. We need to stay tough on our new immigration reform.



Subject: What really happened to Rancher Bob Krentz...Please forward this on to your friends...


As you may know, one of the local ranchers was murdered in Douglas...
Yesterday afternoon I talked to another rancher near us who is a friend of ours and whose great grandfather started their ranch here in 1880. These are good people. He told me what really happened out at the Krentz ranch and what you won't read in the papers. The Border Patrol is afraid of starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico.

Bob Krentz was checking his water like he does every evening and came upon an illegal who was lying on the ground telling him he was sick. Bob called the Border Patrol and asked for a medical helicopter evac. As he turned to go back to his ATV he was shot in the side. The round came from down and angled up so they know the shooter was on the ground. Bob's firearm was in the ATV so he had no chance. Wounded he called the Cochise County Sheriff and asked for help. Bleeding in the lungs he called his brother but the line was bad so he called his wife but again the line was bad.

Several ranchers heard the radio call and drove to his location. Bob was dead by this time. The ranchers tracked the shooter 8 miles back towards Mexico and cornered him in a brushy draw. This was all at night. The Sheriff and Border Patrol arrived and told them not to go down and engage the murderer. They went around to the back side and if you can believe it the assassin managed to get by a BP helicopter and a Sheriff's posse and back to Mexico. So much for professional help when you need it.

One week before the murder Bob and his brother Phil (who I shoot with) hauled a huge quantity of drugs off the ranch that they found in trucks. One week before that a rancher near Naco did the same thing. Two nights later gangs broke into his ranch house and beat him and his wife and told them that if they touched any drugs they found they would come back and kill them. The ranchers here deal with cut fences and haul drug deliveries off their ranches all the time. What ranchers think is that the drug cartels beat the one rancher and shot Bob because they wanted to send a message. Bob always gave food and water to illegals and so they think they sent the assassin to pose as an illegal who was hungry and thirsty knowing it would catch Bob off guard.

What is going on down here is NOT being reported. You need to tell people how bad it is along the border. Texas is worse. Near El Paso it's in a state of war. 5000 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez last year and it's over 2000 so far this year. Gun sales down here are through the roof and I get emails from people wanting firearms training. Something has to be done but I don't hold out much hope. These gangs have groups in almost every city in the US. This is serious business. The Barrio Azteca and their sub gangs are like Mexican Corporations and organized extremely well. If this doesn't get dealt with down here you guys will deal with it on your streets."

shoot first check papers later. trespassing is still trespassing put up a sign and start shooting!! send a message back!!

Hiring an illegal should be instant jail time. if we stop employing them they will not come here. there should be a work program and be taxed according to their status. if you are caught working an illegal and not paying the Higher tax rate on them then its straight to jail. tax them enough to make the cost of employing them above what it cost to employ Americans. take away the jobs and the problem goes away.

Hollon wrote:

Hiring an illegal should be instant jail time. if we stop employing them they will not come here. there should be a work program and be taxed according to their status. if you are caught working an illegal and not paying the Higher tax rate on them then its straight to jail. tax them enough to make the cost of employing them above what it cost to employ Americans. take away the jobs and the problem goes away.

Great plan, problem is many employers are not experts at detecting the forged documentation they are provided.

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Great plan, problem is many employers are not experts at detecting the forged documentation they are provided.

Totally correct.

Maybe the plan should be just stop employing all mexicans for awhile. Maybe if non of them can get work they will stop coming over. I know this is not at all or in any way all mexicans fault. It is kinda like terrorist. They say not all muslims are terrorist, but you can say all terrorist are muslims.

This may come down to one big huge war. I just wonder who the legal mexicans are going to stand with, the Americans or the illegal mexicans.

Hollon wrote:

shoot first check papers later. trespassing is still trespassing put up a sign and start shooting!! send a message back!!

The Lyin King wrote:

Hollon wrote:

Hiring an illegal should be instant jail time. if we stop employing them they will not come here. there should be a work program and be taxed according to their status. if you are caught working an illegal and not paying the Higher tax rate on them then its straight to jail. tax them enough to make the cost of employing them above what it cost to employ Americans. take away the jobs and the problem goes away.

Great plan, problem is many employers are not experts at detecting the forged documentation they are provided.

Both of the statements above are true. If we shot people trying to cross the borader then less people would try. Ask Russia and Korea!!!!!!

Next, if you told me that I would go to jail if I had illegals working for me, I bet I would have been damn sure they were ligament.

There are 15-30 million illegal folks in OUR Country depending upon what statistics you subscribe to.

Accordingly, 60% are of Mexican descent and the rest are a widely varied mix of Nationalities and Countries of origin.

Illegals know no race, creed or color . . . the only thing they have in common is that they ARE illegally in OUR Country.

Yes, we share common boarders with both Mexico and Canada so we get the bleed over of their masses, but in the end it isn't what color, race, religion or whatever . . . it IS that they are here without having gone through the "process" and are ultimately a burden on our "legal" society!

That's the problem, people who don't pay into the system but avail themselves to the services we tax payers fund are depleting our resources and ability to sustain OUR way of life!

Never mind a wide freakin' open avenue for Terrorists to enter OUR Country!!!

4x4pac wrote:

This may come down to one big huge war. I just wonder who the legal mexicans are going to stand with, the Americans or the illegal mexicans.

I know a number of legal Hispanic men, in the 40 to 52 age bracket, that that would side with us Americans, I've had this conversation with them in the past......I would have to say that they are against illegals even more than we are, being that they have gone through the proper channels to gain there citizenship they feel that the "Cheaters" are giving them a bad name and also feel that if they (illegals) want to come here for all of the benefits then they should do it legally, if not lock them up till they are deported.

Arizona is coming under the boycott heat from the socialist militia. Headed by Los Angelas. They need help! Where is Texas on this? The entire US needs to make a statement standing behind Arizona. Go there on vacation and boycott LA.