Official Ride Liability

Here is a good example of the type of Liability waiver that is needed for a "Official Ride". Check it out. This is a cover your ass society these days folks

http://www.wvrfac.com/RegistrationFormLogo.pdf

A release is good, but it will not keep you, the club or its members from being sued. Most times its not who wins or looses but how much in lawyers fees were generated during the process that ruins someone or an organization. A serious lawsuit could cost thousands to tens of thousands to defend and then if you loose add the settlement in the mix.

GunRunner wrote:

A release is good, but it will not keep you, the club or its members from being sued. Most times its not who wins or looses but how much in lawyers fees were generated during the process that ruins someone or an organization. A serious lawsuit could cost thousands to tens of thousands to defend and then if you loose add the settlement in the mix.

dang gun i havent seen anything yet uuu dont have a answer for

hows the cat doing ?????

GunRunner wrote:

A release is good, but it will not keep you, the club or its members from being sued. Most times its not who wins or looses but how much in lawyers fees were generated during the process that ruins someone or an organization. A serious lawsuit could cost thousands to tens of thousands to defend and then if you loose add the settlement in the mix.

I have to agree with GunRunner here all. Even with the waiver they can still sue. Even though they will probaly lose you'll still have to pay a Lawyer.

we are moving 4ward..lets go..

gunny..all we are doin is making a board..not a club!!!!!! so i dont have to take the blame and keep up with everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats the big deal????

GunRunner wrote:

A release is good, but it will not keep you, the club or its members from being sued. Most times its not who wins or looses but how much in lawyers fees were generated during the process that ruins someone or an organization. A serious lawsuit could cost thousands to tens of thousands to defend and then if you loose add the settlement in the mix.

Thats why it's good to Organize and Incorporate. To limit Personnal Liability. If the Organization only has a thousand Bucks, no Lawyer will take a case. There is nothing to get. If this is done right, Liability just wont be an issue. You basically set it up like a Homeowners Association. Non profit Corporation. If run correctly, their will be no liability, and no IRS Problems. I have read about the Windrock Club, and sorry if I offend anyone, but they obviously had their head up their ass.

wvyankee2 wrote:

GunRunner wrote:

A release is good, but it will not keep you, the club or its members from being sued. Most times its not who wins or looses but how much in lawyers fees were generated during the process that ruins someone or an organization. A serious lawsuit could cost thousands to tens of thousands to defend and then if you loose add the settlement in the mix.

Thats why it's good to Organize and Incorporate. To limit Personnal Liability. If the Organization only has a thousand Bucks, no Lawyer will take a case. There is nothing to get. If this is done right, Liability just wont be an issue. You basically set it up like a Homeowners Association. Non profit Corporation. If run correctly, their will be no liability, and no IRS Problems. I have read about the Windrock Club, and sorry if I offend anyone, but they obviously had their head up their ass.

dang yank i dont guess i need to buy u a dictionary

Check out the disclaimer on the Nyroc site Home Page. Amazing You know who is responsible for this Bullshit. We are. The American people who sit on Jurys and award money for Lawsuits. The new age culture of "It's always somebody elses fault, an if I could only win that Lottery"

http://www.nyrocatv.com/index.cgi

rhinomcb wrote:

GunRunner wrote:

A release is good, but it will not keep you, the club or its members from being sued. Most times its not who wins or looses but how much in lawyers fees were generated during the process that ruins someone or an organization. A serious lawsuit could cost thousands to tens of thousands to defend and then if you loose add the settlement in the mix.

dang gun i havent seen anything yet uuu dont have a answer for

hows the cat doing ?????

If you all had rather I not play devils advocate and point potential issues that could impact us all then its fine with me. You can take two aproaches to this whole big club idea. The one with your eyes wide open ,knowing all the risks that "could" come to pass or the one with your heads stuck in the sand and take your chances. My dear old departed Dad taught me that Knowledge is power, and Ive been in business for myself for over 34 years and have seen many good plans go wrong because people did not know the risk factors going in. I really dont care what way the group goes as long as I can just be a member and go on rides. Oh and the Big Cat is good, got some things fixed under warranty and shes ready to ride if we can ever decide on one I think if you do go big, long as you have board members like yankee and RMCB that know how to set it up things will be fine.

Thanks Gunny for all your help..I think as long as we have members like you..yankee..wheels..rmcb..we'll do just fine. Because im a dumb ass with law stuff

hey gun runner would u mind editing your post on here we have not been and r not ready for a CLUB advertisement at this time :D by that i mean the word CLUB we r a group of riders at this time .thanks :D

http://atvposters.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/715102101/m/5181064572

rhinomcb wrote:

hey gun runner would u mind editing your post on here we have not been and r not ready for a CLUB advertisement at this time :D by that i mean the word CLUB we r a group of riders at this time .thanks :D

http://atvposters.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/715102101/m/5181064572

I did, but thats what wheelin wanted in the beginning, then he disbanded the whole club idea I changed most all the original posts to get rid of all ideas this was a "club" which it is NOT! guess I missed that one. really dont see the need for all this again now but thats up to the vote I guess, it seems about even.

GunRunner wrote:

rhinomcb wrote:

hey gun runner would u mind editing your post on here we have not been and r not ready for a CLUB advertisement at this time :D by that i mean the word CLUB we r a group of riders at this time .thanks :D

http://atvposters.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/715102101/m/5181064572

I did, but thats what wheelin wanted in the beginning, then he disbanded the whole club idea I changed most all the original posts to get rid of all ideas this was a "club" which it is NOT! guess I missed that one. really dont see the need for all this again now but thats up to the vote I guess, it seems about even.

AGAIN the vote was to get organized!!!!! it wasnt a vote to make it a club.there is a big difference!!!! things could change in the future or not.but at least nick can get some help and the riders will be ORGANIZED.

THANKS FOR THE EDIT .i know about before there has been alot of stuff that has needed edited!!!!! :D

rhinomcb wrote:

GunRunner wrote:

rhinomcb wrote:

hey gun runner would u mind editing your post on here we have not been and r not ready for a CLUB advertisement at this time :D by that i mean the word CLUB we r a group of riders at this time .thanks :D

http://atvposters.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/715102101/m/5181064572

I did, but thats what wheelin wanted in the beginning, then he disbanded the whole club idea I changed most all the original posts to get rid of all ideas this was a "club" which it is NOT! guess I missed that one. really dont see the need for all this again now but thats up to the vote I guess, it seems about even.

AGAIN the vote was to get organized!!!!! it wasnt a vote to make it a club.there is a big difference!!!! things could change in the future or not.but at least nick can get some help and the riders will be ORGANIZED.

THANKS FOR THE EDIT .i know about before there has been alot of stuff that has needed edited!!!!! :D

Please for the record define the difference between a Organized group and a club, they represent pretty much the same thing when you look up the definition.

GunRunner wrote:

rhinomcb wrote:

GunRunner wrote:

rhinomcb wrote:

hey gun runner would u mind editing your post on here we have not been and r not ready for a CLUB advertisement at this time :D by that i mean the word CLUB we r a group of riders at this time .thanks :D

http://atvposters.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/715102101/m/5181064572

I did, but thats what wheelin wanted in the beginning, then he disbanded the whole club idea I changed most all the original posts to get rid of all ideas this was a "club" which it is NOT! guess I missed that one. really dont see the need for all this again now but thats up to the vote I guess, it seems about even.

AGAIN the vote was to get organized!!!!! it wasnt a vote to make it a club.there is a big difference!!!! things could change in the future or not.but at least nick can get some help and the riders will be ORGANIZED.

THANKS FOR THE EDIT .i know about before there has been alot of stuff that has needed edited!!!!! :D

Please for the record define the difference between a Organized group and a club, they represent the same thing to me and I would say to liability issues as well.

I'm with Gunny on this one. As many years as I have rode motocross......we always had to sign a waiver of liability before we ever stepped foot on the track. However I have a friend down in Florida who had a man wreck on his track......he's been in a lawsuit the last 5 years over it.....and this guy DID sign a waiver. It was THIS guys CHOICE to DO or NOT to do the obstacle.......yet he is blaming it on the track owner saying the track was to hard. HE DIDNT HAVE TO RIDE IT. However.......waiver's mean nothing these days. ANYOEN can SUE for anything and win. CLUB=BAD IDEA!!! GROUP OF FRIENDS..........PERFECT!

I could be incorrect, but I believe an Organized group is open to all that want to join. A Club you need to be Voted in by the members. It's Private. So, technically speaking I guess we are in between. The Membership is open to all, but our Supporting Riders only forum is private. But, we are currently unorganized, which makes us vulnerable to a hostile takeover We have 5 more members to vote.........If it is a draw, we will have Bootlegger to make the tie braking vote.

some of the member dont get on here much

wvyankee2 wrote:

I could be incorrect, but I believe an Organized group is open to all that want to join. A Club you need to be Voted in by the members. It's Private. So, technically speaking I guess we are in between. The Membership is open to all, but our Supporting Riders only forum is private. But, we are currently unorganized, which makes us vulnerable to a hostile takeover We have 5 more members to vote.........If it is a draw, we will have Bootlegger to make the tie braking vote.

u r correct yank!!!

a club requires u be invited in or u apply for membership!!!

Flytrap has not been on in a while. You can look at the membership list and see. I guess we could PM them and ask for a vote?

wvyankee2 wrote:

Flytrap has not been on in a while. You can look at the membership list and see. I guess we could PM them and ask for a vote?

he was suppose to get on and vote.dont know if he did .his computer got hit by a storm ,its in the shop.

Yankee You are Correct on Your Statement Good Thing Some of Us Know The Difference I Guess some People Think they serve Ice Water in Hell Even though we Know they Don't

RSRRhino wrote:

Yankee You are Correct on Your Statement Good Thing Some of Us Know The Difference I Guess some People Think they serve Ice Water in Hell Even though we Know they Don't

rhinomcb wrote:

wvyankee2 wrote:

I could be incorrect, but I believe an Organized group is open to all that want to join. A Club you need to be Voted in by the members. It's Private. So, technically speaking I guess we are in between. The Membership is open to all, but our Supporting Riders only forum is private. But, we are currently unorganized, which makes us vulnerable to a hostile takeover We have 5 more members to vote.........If it is a draw, we will have Bootlegger to make the tie braking vote.

u r correct yank!!!

a club requires u be invited in or u apply for membership!!!

Did not every one of us apply for membership and pay a fee? I know I did. Ive joined clubs where no one voted or asked me to join, windrock atv was one of those clubs. they recruited members same as the sxs riders did with a open invatation and the only requirement being send money. So talk your way around that yanks definition is for a Private club, not a public club like most everyone out there.

GunRunner wrote:

rhinomcb wrote:

wvyankee2 wrote:

I could be incorrect, but I believe an Organized group is open to all that want to join. A Club you need to be Voted in by the members. It's Private. So, technically speaking I guess we are in between. The Membership is open to all, but our Supporting Riders only forum is private. But, we are currently unorganized, which makes us vulnerable to a hostile takeover We have 5 more members to vote.........If it is a draw, we will have Bootlegger to make the tie braking vote.

u r correct yank!!!

a club requires u be invited in or u apply for membership!!!

Did not every one of us apply for membership and pay a fee? I know I did. Ive joined clubs where no one voted or asked me to join, windrock atv was one of those clubs. they recruited members same as the sxs riders did with a open invatation and the only requirement being send money. So talk your way around that yanks definition is for a Private club, not a public club like most everyone out there.

gunny,how did u apply for membership to sxs????i must of missed that paper.there was no room on my check for and applying i just sent in a check for a sticker and shipping and a little extra for the forum

rhinomcb wrote:

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gunny,how did u apply for membership to sxs????i must of missed that paper.there was no room on my check for and applying i just sent in a check for a sticker and shipping and a little extra for the forum [/quote]

I applied by following the requirements to be a member listed in wheelins section on becoming a member. I had to remit a required 20.00 fee, for that fee I recieved a decal and was considered a member same as you and every one of the rest of us did. If you read what is required and you follow those requirements and your remittance is accepted then you applied like it or not. :D Of course we all joined when it was the sxs riders club, now since wheelin has changed it to just a riders group , you still have to pay 20.00 but its listed as youre paying for the decal, which puts him making 10.00 on each sale which could be a tax matter if that keeps up.Looks like With each turn of the crank another can of worms opens up